Curse

Priest Of Sin · Jul 19, 2006, 10:14 PM // 22:14

I'm beginning to think that Anet favors certain classes over others. Crazytalk, you say? Well, look at two runs of the Deep that I did today.

Mission: The Deep (spent 3:04 hours there)
Players:

Priest Of Sin- Battery (0 gold drops, 0 purple, 3 white)
XXX XXX- Warrior (3 gold drops, 7 purple, 18 white)
XXX XXX- Warrior (5 gold drops, 3 purple, 11 white)
XXX XXX- Monk (7 gold drops, 18 purple, 3 white)
XXX XXX- Monk (15 gold drops, 12 purple, 1 white)
XXX XXX- Monk (12 gold drops, 2 purple, 18 white)
XXX XXX- Monk (9 gold drops, 15 purple, 3 white)
XXX XXX- Elementalist (4 gold drops, 2 purple, 7 white)
XXX XXX- Elementalist (2 gold drops, 5 purple, 13 white)
XXX XXX- Elementalist (4 gold drops, 2 purple, 7 white)
XXX XXX- Spiteful Spirit (0 gold drops, 0 purple, 8 white)
XXX XXX- Warrior (6 gold drops, 4 purple, 22 white)

OK... now, let's review.

That was the total ammount of drops (that I managed to count) that everyone got. Notice anything? Aside from being outrageously high for rares (I dunno what was up with that... uber h4x maybe? :P ) The necros seemed to be getting the short end of the stick there. At first I thought "Wow, I'm really ******* unlucky today. Oh well, try again I suppose." So, we decide to do another run.

Priest Of Sin- Battery (0 gold drops, 3 purple, 18 white)
XXX XXX- Warrior (8 gold drops, 7 purple, 15 white)
XXX XXX- Warrior (5 gold drops, 3 purple, 11 white)
XXX XXX- Monk (13 gold drops, 10 purple, 3 white)
XXX XXX- Monk (11 gold drops, 12 purple, 1 white)
XXX XXX- Monk (15 gold drops, 2 purple, 18 white)
XXX XXX- Monk (10 gold drops, 15 purple, 3 white)
XXX XXX- Elementalist (8 gold drops, 0 purple, 7 white)
XXX XXX- Elementalist (9 gold drops, 0 purple, 13 white)
XXX XXX- Elementalist (11 gold drops, 0 purple, 7 white)
XXX XXX- Spiteful Spirit (0 gold drops, 12 purple, 8 white)
XXX XXX- Warrior (6 gold drops, 4 purple, 22 white)

Once again, the Necros got fewer drops, and they were not as good as the other party member's drops. In fact, the numbers are shockingly similar. That got me thinking. Who, in most of my high-end instance farming runs, has gotten the most drops? The answer, of course, is the monks. So I pose this question to you: Does Anet favor monks over other classes? It certainly seems so. For instance: you MUST have a monk (at LEAST one) in all missions. All the other classes are inter-changeable.

Just an interesting observation.

Justafyme · Jul 19, 2006, 10:31 PM // 22:31

Actually, I've been thinking something along those lines since GW game out over a year ago.
My war and my husbands war finished the first game without ever having seen a gold drop.
With both of our monks, we started getting them as soon as we hit Yaks. We play equally as much with our monks as with our wars.
Hubbys necro has never seen a gold...though he doesnt get used as much...

The use of henchman doesn't seem to make too much of a difference for either us. The monks with henchmen will still get golds, the warriors without henchmen still won't.

nuee · Jul 19, 2006, 10:37 PM // 22:37

What logic makes you think that 2 runs is a statistically significant sample, upon which you can draw such a conclusion?

Bad Apache · Jul 19, 2006, 10:40 PM // 22:40

I allways thaught the drops were entirely random. Your studies are too "short-term" to be considered any proof really. Although, across the 2, Monks are favoured...

I wonder where Rangers stand

Cherng Butter · Jul 19, 2006, 10:42 PM // 22:42

I was suprised at the number of gold items my factions PvE necromancer got, but now looking back, they weren't that many. Compared to my PvE prophecies ranger, however, there were significantly more drops.

logan90 · Jul 19, 2006, 10:42 PM // 22:42

Monks are not favored like that, or at least mine isnt. My monk would get drops more along the lines of the SS necros. Also what nuee said..

ilovecp · Jul 20, 2006, 12:54 AM // 00:54

That's silly.. I was doing the Deep the other day with my monk and all I got was 2 crappy golds and lots of whites. Then again I wonder if they nerf your drops based on how much money you have..

Mr_T_bot · Jul 20, 2006, 01:34 AM // 01:34

I wish I was those monks. My Monk doesn't get squat, even solo.

Kai Nui · Jul 20, 2006, 01:51 AM // 01:51

I have to say, on many trips in FoW and UW it sure seems like both monks will either get thier shard/ecto drops first or get even 2nds before anyone even snags one.

Vahn Roi · Jul 20, 2006, 01:53 AM // 01:53

My guess would be that you tripped the anti-farm code earlier before entering the deep and it effected your drops within said mission as a result.

Retribution X · Jul 20, 2006, 02:02 AM // 02:02

My monk usually is the one to get golds also.

I always thought that was strange.

Winx.ZN · Jul 20, 2006, 02:04 AM // 02:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Priest Of Sin

I'm beginning to think that Anet favors certain classes over others. Crazytalk, you say? Well, look at two runs of the Deep that I did today.

Mission: The Deep (spent 3:04 hours there)
Players:

Priest Of Sin- Battery (0 gold drops, 0 purple, 3 white)
XXX XXX- Warrior (3 gold drops, 7 purple, 18 white)
XXX XXX- Warrior (5 gold drops, 3 purple, 11 white)
XXX XXX- Monk (7 gold drops, 18 purple, 3 white)
XXX XXX- Monk (15 gold drops, 12 purple, 1 white)
XXX XXX- Monk (12 gold drops, 2 purple, 18 white)
XXX XXX- Monk (9 gold drops, 15 purple, 3 white)
XXX XXX- Elementalist (4 gold drops, 2 purple, 7 white)
XXX XXX- Elementalist (2 gold drops, 5 purple, 13 white)
XXX XXX- Elementalist (4 gold drops, 2 purple, 7 white)
XXX XXX- Spiteful Spirit (0 gold drops, 0 purple, 8 white)
XXX XXX- Warrior (6 gold drops, 4 purple, 22 white)

67 Total golds that run
70 Total purples that run
114 Total whites that run
That means every 1.7 white drops a gold dropped.
26.7% Of All Drops were gold

Quote:

Originally Posted by Priest Of Sin

Priest Of Sin- Battery (0 gold drops, 3 purple, 18 white)
XXX XXX- Warrior (8 gold drops, 7 purple, 15 white)
XXX XXX- Warrior (5 gold drops, 3 purple, 11 white)
XXX XXX- Monk (13 gold drops, 10 purple, 3 white)
XXX XXX- Monk (11 gold drops, 12 purple, 1 white)
XXX XXX- Monk (15 gold drops, 2 purple, 18 white)
XXX XXX- Monk (10 gold drops, 15 purple, 3 white)
XXX XXX- Elementalist (8 gold drops, 0 purple, 7 white)
XXX XXX- Elementalist (9 gold drops, 0 purple, 13 white)
XXX XXX- Elementalist (11 gold drops, 0 purple, 7 white)
XXX XXX- Spiteful Spirit (0 gold drops, 12 purple, 8 white)
XXX XXX- Warrior (6 gold drops, 4 purple, 22 white)

96 Total golds that run
68 Total purples that run
126 Total whites that run
That means for every 1.3 whites a gold dropped.
That means 33% of all drops that run were gold.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Priest Of Sin

Just an interesting observation.

Very interesting observation.

Conclusion:
1st Run : Lowest gold gotten by anyone = 0
2nd Run : Lowest gold drops gotten by anyone = 0
This shows 2 things :
A) Not a single gold chest in two runs (or they were not taken into account).
B) 163 total gold drops from monsters in 2 runs (avg 81.5 per run)
C) BS stats.
D) This is indeed, as you say, "crazy talk."

Sorry dont buy it for a moment. I farm those places and I have yet to see 50+ golds drop with no chests involved (even then, 3 gold chests * 12 = 36. Still need another 14 golds to drop from monsters... rare case indeed). Reads like you pulled those numbers from the dark corner of your mind. Id like to go on a run where golds are 1/3 and 1/4 of all drops. Imagine that for every 10 creatures you kill theres 2-3 golds.

What your two run "study" confirms is : Nothing.

Kalki · Jul 20, 2006, 02:34 AM // 02:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winx.ZN

Sorry dont buy it for a moment. I farm those places and I have yet to see 50+ golds drop with no chests involved (even then, 3 gold chests * 12 = 36. Still need another 14 golds to drop from monsters... rare case indeed). Reads like you pulled those numbers from the dark corner of your mind. Id like to go on a run where golds are 1/3 and 1/4 of all drops. Imagine that for every 10 creatures you kill theres 2-3 golds.

What your two run "study" confirms is : Nothing.

Bravo Mr. party pooper. Here I am hoping things would get emotional with lots of whining and crying, and you go and ruin it with reason and logic.

Don't listen to him people! Monks get all the good drops.

TwinRaven · Jul 20, 2006, 02:58 AM // 02:58

statistically, your sample is far too small to draw conclusions. You need a larger sample size, say 100 runs with even numbers of each class for each run to draw a more accurate statistical conclusion. It's like flipping a coin 12 times and getting heads 10 of 12 times and claiming it to be an "unfair" coin. Make several more runs, nothing less than 50....then compare and see if things don't even out a bit...Think of it this way: I did 24 Rotscale runs, in a group of 8, I should have acquired 3 bows in a perfect universe...I got 5...one third of the runs were done with my ranger: 0 bows, the rest were done with my Ritualist: 5 bows. The Ranger should have 1 and the Ritualist should have 2. My ranger character may claim "unfair", but statistically, this isn't near enough runs to claim fair or unfair....the more runs, the more it will reach a number close to the expected number...If I ran 800 times, I could expect a number closer to 100 bows regardless of character...If I consistently gain more than my expected share at this number (ending up with 140 bows), then it can be concluded, with a fair degree of certainty, that I'm one lucky son-of-a-bitch...er...the game favors my character.

Phoenix Arrows · Jul 20, 2006, 03:05 AM // 03:05

Not enough runs. Also, I doubt someone only got 3 drops throughout the whole thing, let alone WHITES. I don't think this is accurate enough.

Hidden in the Mist · Jul 20, 2006, 03:15 AM // 03:15

Could be just the placement of the characters in the party list.

Rent · Jul 20, 2006, 03:19 AM // 03:19

Who the hell gets 15 gold drops in one run? I want to have their luck.

Thallandor · Jul 20, 2006, 04:07 AM // 04:07

I share the same observations with the OP for greens/golds in SF/GF runs since it started last summer that monks generally get better drops in a group and a necro usually the least esp if you are MMing.

Kool Pajamas · Jul 20, 2006, 04:18 AM // 04:18

My monk gets the worst drops of any of my characters.

Ulivious The Reaper · Jul 20, 2006, 04:29 AM // 04:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilovecp

That's silly.. I was doing the Deep the other day with my monk and all I got was 2 crappy golds and lots of whites. Then again I wonder if they nerf your drops based on how much money you have..

i have maybe 50k on a good day, i right now have 700 gold? i'm pretty positive if it IS nerfed it's for us poor people